tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post1462722369625677065..comments2023-05-21T13:27:52.157+01:00Comments on Not The Barnet Times: Nasty Socialist ScumDon't Call Me Davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-22304664119872449782012-09-22T23:27:13.479+01:002012-09-22T23:27:13.479+01:00Vicki
When Clarkson made jokes about shooting Tra...Vicki<br /><br />When Clarkson made jokes about shooting Trade Unionists, you called him a c*nt. How have I misrepresented you?<br />Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-20281794965291669822012-09-22T01:15:37.215+01:002012-09-22T01:15:37.215+01:00Not the first time you've implied that I think...Not the first time you've implied that I think things I don't think by citing me in connection with, well, something someone else has done or said. <br /><br />I don't do it to you, I wish you wouldn't do it to me.Citizen Barnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10539991855658960354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-36116516821794119092012-09-14T20:29:10.519+01:002012-09-14T20:29:10.519+01:00That few people begrudged Churchill a State funera...That few people begrudged Churchill a State funeral was possibly a sign of the times. The public held politicians in high regard, irrespective of party affiliation. Today, most politicians are held in contempt. The current Prime Minister is probably loathed more by Conservatives than supporters of other parties.<br /><br />I suspect you are right that there would not be the same level of public agreement for Lady Thatcher (or any of her successors) as there was for Churchill. Nor would I be surprised if, when the time comes, Lady Thatcher’s children make the decision to hold a private funeral, with perhaps a service of remembrance in Westminster Abbey. I am sure they would not wish to give succour to the mindless minority who would take pleasure in disrupting a public funeral.<br />Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-45161510110900093772012-09-14T18:26:34.134+01:002012-09-14T18:26:34.134+01:00Compared to leadership from Chamberlain or Halifax...Compared to leadership from Chamberlain or Halifax, Churchill won the war, if only to hold on long enough to await the Americans.<br /><br />So there must have been very few in Britain who begrudged Churchill receiving a state funeral. It's also remarkable that he always refused any (obvious) honour beyond a knighthood.<br /><br />It is very moving watching the video from 1965, of how the cranes in the Port of London were each lowered in respect, as his funeral barge passed by, travelling up the Thames to Waterloo station.<br /><br />I suspect that, if the cranes and workers were still there, they would be moved by dockers in the opposite direction, as Mrs Thatcher went by.<br /><br />Anyway, that is the serious point: One of perhaps of many criteria for a state funeral is overwhelming public agreement, something that is obviously lacking in this case.baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-54062502896577766602012-09-14T17:30:08.193+01:002012-09-14T17:30:08.193+01:00The final decision whether to grant Baroness Thatc...The final decision whether to grant Baroness Thatcher a State funeral rests with the Queen. It was reported that Gordon Brown approved provisional plans when he was PM. <br /><br />It should not be forgotten that Churchill had his fair share of enemies when he was Prime Minister, but that did not prevent him from being granted a State funeral. Thatcher proved to be a strong war time leader and was also the first female MP in what is still a male dominated business. <br /><br />The comparison with Blair as a war leader doesn’t really hold. Blair launched a war on dubious legal grounds. Thatcher responded to the invasion of British territory, as she was legally entitled to do.<br /><br />As for the cost, I suspect a state funeral is a lot cheaper than the amount the UK pisses away to the EU every day.<br />Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-33131218162839667082012-09-14T15:43:55.044+01:002012-09-14T15:43:55.044+01:00Even I knew Mrs Angry was incorrect about "Re...Even I knew Mrs Angry was incorrect about "Rejoice, rejoice". Which is strange, since she is never wrong.<br /><br />The only contemporary matter regarding Mrs Thatcher that concerns me is that she will get a state funeral. Why? <br /><br />Will John Major be lain (laid?) in state (with Edwina Curry head-bowed in one corner - yes, it must be 'laid')? No!<br /><br />Will Tony Blair be carried on a gun-carriage, with missiles on top that can be fired within 15 minutes? No!<br /><br />So what budget does a state funeral come out of, and who decides?baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-81039213898461097622012-09-13T16:05:25.307+01:002012-09-13T16:05:25.307+01:00barrnett: Your normal impeccable grasp of history ...barrnett: Your normal impeccable grasp of history has failed you. With the benefit of hindsight, it is widely accepted that the Dollar rate at which Churchill reapplied the Gold standard was too high. But he was very badly advised and had little choice at the time. I have long wondered who you really are. Now I know: Nick Clegg.<br /><br />Rog. My comments are directed solely at those who think that death is something to celebrate. Most people do not hold this view.<br /><br />Mrs Angry. Oh dear. You too seem to be suffering from a history lapse. Mrs Thatcher’s “rejoice, rejoice” comments were made immediately after British Forces had liberated South Georgia. They had nothing to do with the Belgrano.<br /><br />Thatcher’s policies did not sentence communities to death. They injected economic reality into a society that had become brainwashed into thinking that state intervention to prop up declining heavy industries was a good thing. If Thatcher’s policies were so bad, why didn’t Labour renationalise when they came to power? Because the world had changed - and continues to change. It is only the anarchic union Luddites who think that everything can and should be run the same way it was a generation ago.<br />Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-30439457358901877482012-09-13T08:42:21.103+01:002012-09-13T08:42:21.103+01:00Any celebration of death is inappropriate,but you ...Any celebration of death is inappropriate,but you must try to understand the height of emotion that still lingers in, for example, the mining areas of the North East where her policies effectively sentenced their communities to death, and had a devastating impact on so many lives.<br /><br />One should also remember, with gross distaste, the remark she herself made during the Falklands War, on hearing about the sinking of the Belgrano, and the loss of so many young men's lives:<br /><br />'Rejoice, rejoice'.Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-74883721597495598692012-09-13T06:13:28.564+01:002012-09-13T06:13:28.564+01:00David,
I think your comments are rather too much ...David,<br /><br />I think your comments are rather too much of a generalisation<br /><br />Do you remember this blog at the Hendon Times?<br /><br />http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/picture_gallery/2008/08/24/Rog+T+Blog+%28Imported+from+blog+module%29/3618573.The_Tragedy_of_Lady_Thatcher___a_personal_view/<br /><br />Rog Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139705078907584931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269067397168966943.post-82557365380199973742012-09-12T20:49:47.449+01:002012-09-12T20:49:47.449+01:00"He has caused greater damage to the British ..."He has caused greater damage to the British economy than any other politician in the entire history of the universe. Ever."<br /><br />No, Winston Churchill, 'Gold Standard Chancellor' in 1925, was worse.baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.com